Comments on: “Violence is a virtue”: Why the Urewera 17 were a genuine threat http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/ Sun, 13 May 2012 18:00:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Ben Vidgen http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-188498 Ben Vidgen Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:38:06 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-188498 Want more info on Gun city, Tuhoe & arms see 1999 State Secrets II. Scuse my website currently in state of mid construction and proofing so it bit mess right now. Want more info on Gun city, Tuhoe & arms see 1999 State Secrets II.

Scuse my website currently in state of mid construction and proofing so it bit mess right now.

]]> By: hine moko http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-174079 hine moko Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:16:38 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-174079 re•In 1987, a gang of Rastafarians in Ruatoria began an armed insurgency. Like the 2007 plotters, their leader declared war on New Zealand and talked about killing white people and driving farmers from their land. Their reign of terror involved capturing armed police at gunpoint, accusations of police brutality, and the arson of more than 60 buildings, including the courthouse and the police station. The rebellion only stopped when the Rasta leader, Chris Campbell, was shot dead by a local farmer in self-defence [3]. Accusations?? these were true and as we all know it police get off when they all stick together. Chris Campbell was murdered by Luke Donnelly and it was not in self defence... Chris was unarmed and went to Luke's house because he was called over there... Luke bragged about killing some Roosters (Rastas) days before hand... Luke Donnelly shot Chris Campbell 8-9 times with two different rifles. Of course Chris wanted our land back... how can it be that in three generations we,the descendants of this land, have nothing...no land to live in peace for ourselves... There is enough land for everyone to live in harmony with each other. Luke Donnelly was also aquitted of all charges...funny that how the majority (if not all) the jury were...wait for it...Farmers...now how could that have happened through natural selection?? Also, not all the arsons were lit by the Ruatorian Rastas...it was also a plot by the opposition...and no Mike Hemsley, we the maori people of the East Coast-Tairawhiti do NOT originate from the Mongrel Mob...We descend from a long line of chiefs whom 9 were killed (murdered) on Cooks arrival here, hence the Name given as Poverty Bay... Wouldnt you be hostile if your family were murdered in front of you? We were not allowed to believe in our Gods or have penises on our carvings (most were cut off)or go to our Tohunga(experts). When we weren't beaten in the NZ wars, what do you think happened next?? only small pox where maori had no immunity to...maori complied, learnt the english language, the bible (even translated it)adapted to being abused and hated in their own land. The result being a win-lose situation. My ancestors have worked hard to save what little is left for us and still we get abused in the papers for being greedy. Who gives one race the right to be superior to all other races?? Masters in Intimidation and Control of course. re•In 1987, a gang of Rastafarians in Ruatoria began an armed insurgency. Like the 2007 plotters, their leader declared war on New Zealand and talked about killing white people and driving farmers from their land. Their reign of terror involved capturing armed police at gunpoint, accusations of police brutality, and the arson of more than 60 buildings, including the courthouse and the police station. The rebellion only stopped when the Rasta leader, Chris Campbell, was shot dead by a local farmer in self-defence [3].

Accusations?? these were true and as we all know it police get off when they all stick together.
Chris Campbell was murdered by Luke Donnelly and it was not in self defence… Chris was unarmed and went to Luke’s house because he was called over there… Luke bragged about killing some Roosters (Rastas) days before hand… Luke Donnelly shot Chris Campbell 8-9 times with two different rifles. Of course Chris wanted our land back… how can it be that in three generations we,the descendants of this land, have nothing…no land to live in peace for ourselves… There is enough land for everyone to live in harmony with each other.
Luke Donnelly was also aquitted of all charges…funny that how the majority (if not all) the jury were…wait for it…Farmers…now how could that have happened through natural selection?? Also, not all the arsons were lit by the Ruatorian Rastas…it was also a plot by the
opposition…and no Mike Hemsley, we the maori people of the East Coast-Tairawhiti do NOT originate from the Mongrel Mob…We descend from a long line of chiefs whom 9 were killed (murdered) on Cooks arrival here, hence the Name given as Poverty Bay… Wouldnt you be hostile if your family were murdered in front of you?
We were not allowed to believe in our Gods or have penises on our carvings (most were cut off)or go to our Tohunga(experts). When we weren’t beaten in the NZ wars, what do you think happened next?? only small pox where maori had no immunity to…maori complied, learnt the english language, the bible (even translated it)adapted to being abused and hated in their own land. The result being a win-lose situation. My ancestors have worked hard to save what little is left for us and still we get abused in the papers for being greedy. Who gives one race the right to be superior to all other races?? Masters in Intimidation and Control of course.

]]> By: peter petterson http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-139260 peter petterson Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:49:54 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-139260 I may not share your political philosophy, but I believe the above story to be factual. So that is why I have copied your article onto my blog and acknowledged you people as the authors. My blog: Beyond the HuttRiver http://peter-petterson.blogspot.com Regards, Peter Petterson I may not share your political philosophy, but I believe the above story to be factual. So that is why I have copied your article onto my blog and acknowledged you people as the authors.

My blog: Beyond the HuttRiver

http://peter-petterson.blogspot.com

Regards,

Peter Petterson

]]> By: Mike Hemsley http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-75768 Mike Hemsley Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:15:26 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-75768 Interesting article. I fail to see however how any one can condone the raids of October 2007 as stopping Acts of terrorism. The police may well have uncovered people gathering for instruction in acts of political dissent but terrorism goes way too far.The solicitor General had no choice to state the arrested could not be charged under the Anti terror legislation as there was simply not the evidence. The rhetoric after a mere PR job. Nice touch mention the NZ gangs though and of course the people of of the East coast have affiliation with the Mongrel mob, that's the place they originated from .There would be very little Maori families that do not have a gang connection somewhere in their Whakapapa. The only unsolved murder by an IED was the caretaker of the Wellington Trades hall in the 70's Ernie ABBOT. I make no comment on the number of weapons seized, its a rural community simple. No the claim of a silence .22 possible pistol? perhaps its a cut down .22 rifle cut so short thats its physical measurements are the only thing that makes it a "pistol". The rastas in the Ruatoria area led by Chris CAMPBELL were simply drug suppliers thieves and stand over men. the reign ended by proactive approach by local police and Luke DONNELY shooting CAMPBELL. the remains of the group attempted to slur the police investigators who were cleared of any unlawful activity. Now a Plot to kill KEY? if the police have the evidence why didn't charge the "plotters" with conspiracy to commit murder? Simple answer is that they have no evidence that would withstand cross examination in court. I would love to read an unwashed copy of the original affidavit ,all 150 odd pages,as what I have seen is simple cut and pastes from transcripts of recorder phone conversations and on line trading site transaction that are very very weak. An interesting post all the same Interesting article.
I fail to see however how any one can condone the raids of October 2007 as stopping Acts of terrorism.
The police may well have uncovered people gathering for instruction in acts of political dissent but terrorism goes way too far.The solicitor General had no choice to state the arrested could not be charged under the Anti terror legislation as there was simply not the evidence. The rhetoric after a mere PR job.
Nice touch mention the NZ gangs though and of course the people of of the East coast have affiliation with the Mongrel mob, that’s the place they originated from .There would be very little Maori families that do not have a gang connection somewhere in their Whakapapa.
The only unsolved murder by an IED was the caretaker of the Wellington Trades hall in the 70′s Ernie ABBOT.
I make no comment on the number of weapons seized, its a rural community simple.
No the claim of a silence .22 possible pistol?
perhaps its a cut down .22 rifle cut so short thats its physical measurements are the only thing that makes it a “pistol”.
The rastas in the Ruatoria area led by Chris CAMPBELL were simply drug suppliers thieves and stand over men. the reign ended by proactive approach by local police and Luke DONNELY shooting CAMPBELL. the remains of the group attempted to slur the police investigators who were cleared of any unlawful activity.
Now a Plot to kill KEY? if the police have the evidence why didn’t charge the “plotters” with conspiracy to commit murder?
Simple answer is that they have no evidence that would withstand cross examination in court.
I would love to read an unwashed copy of the original affidavit ,all 150 odd pages,as what I have seen is simple cut and pastes from transcripts of recorder phone conversations and on line trading site transaction that are very very weak.
An interesting post all the same

]]> By: Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Tuhoe Terrorists To Face Trial http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-68738 Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Tuhoe Terrorists To Face Trial Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:58:19 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-68738 [...] I can assure readers of Pacific Empire that the police were not imagining the terrorist training camps and plots to kill New Zealanders, including a threat to kill John Key after the upcoming election. For a full run-down of the evidence facing the domestic terrorists accused, see Phil’s excellent post, Violence Is A Virtue. [...] [...] I can assure readers of Pacific Empire that the police were not imagining the terrorist training camps and plots to kill New Zealanders, including a threat to kill John Key after the upcoming election. For a full run-down of the evidence facing the domestic terrorists accused, see Phil’s excellent post, Violence Is A Virtue. [...]

]]> By: Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Homegrown hijacking causes havoc, but it wasn’t unprecedented http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-38030 Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Homegrown hijacking causes havoc, but it wasn’t unprecedented Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:41:31 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-38030 [...] kind in New Zealand (because of course we live in a benign strategic environment where domestic terrorism is unheard of). This is not true. An aircraft squawked 7500 in 1995. I only know this because I [...] [...] kind in New Zealand (because of course we live in a benign strategic environment where domestic terrorism is unheard of). This is not true. An aircraft squawked 7500 in 1995. I only know this because I [...]

]]> By: Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Key Meets Intended Assassin, Shakes Hand http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-37673 Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Key Meets Intended Assassin, Shakes Hand Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:50:37 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/2008/01/22/violence-is-a-virtue-why-the-urewera-17-were-a-genuine-threat/#comment-37673 [...] me me rephrase that. He walked up to the leader of the Urewera 17, who were plotting to assasinate Key himself - and shook the man’s [...] [...] me me rephrase that. He walked up to the leader of the Urewera 17, who were plotting to assasinate Key himself – and shook the man’s [...]

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