Comments on: Smacking: Right or Wrong? http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/ Sun, 13 May 2012 18:00:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Dore http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-113248 Dore Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:37:49 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-113248 Hi there, I grew up in the different country,I used to get a smack for disobedience. Now when I'm a mother I realise, how hard to be a good parent to your kids. No parent ever wants their children to end up in jail or on the street. That's why we have to discipline our children, lead them to the right pathway,other wise their life will be in a mess. I love my children so much, and there is a different between discipline and child abuse. If you smack your kid because your angry at something or someone else, thats abuse.This law is giving our children a freedom to do what ever they want. I was watching one mother and her daughter in the supermarket, the little girl was swearing hard out to her mum, throwing staff out from the trolley, the eggs was smashed, and the poor mother did nothing but picking all the staff up. It's terrible and we need to do something about this law. Hi there,
I grew up in the different country,I used to get a smack for disobedience. Now when I’m a mother I realise, how hard to be a good parent to your kids. No parent ever wants their children to end up in jail or on the street. That’s why we have to discipline our children, lead them to the right pathway,other wise their life will be in a mess. I love my children so much, and there is a different between discipline and child abuse. If you smack your kid because your angry at something or someone else, thats abuse.This law is giving our children a freedom to do what ever they want. I was watching one mother and her daughter in the supermarket, the little girl was swearing hard out to her mum, throwing staff out from the trolley, the eggs was smashed, and the poor mother did nothing but picking all the staff up. It’s terrible and we need to do something about this law.

]]> By: Lauren http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-96485 Lauren Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:00:48 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-96485 im 13 and what is the difference between using force and child abuse? well i can tell you for a fact there is no difference between these two im 13 and what is the difference between using force and child abuse? well i can tell you for a fact there is no difference between these two

]]> By: Lauren http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-96484 Lauren Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:59:27 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-96484 im 13 and what is the differenmce between using force and child abuse? well i can tell you for a fact there is no difference between these two im 13 and what is the differenmce between using force and child abuse? well i can tell you for a fact there is no difference between these two

]]> By: nguha torurau http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-5339 nguha torurau Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:28:27 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-5339 here's a resource to help u`s get it sorted in your head on how to use force. enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDROJIDCkNk here’s a resource to help u`s get it sorted in your head on how to use force.

enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDROJIDCkNk

]]> By: Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Smacking March Report http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-5098 Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Smacking March Report Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:20:58 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-5098 [...] On Wednesday 28 March, after a mere 2 weeks of planning, a diverse group of people gathered in Wellington’s Civic Square to protest the repeal of Section 59 of the Crimes Act, otherwise known as the anti-smacking bill. The left-wing spin is that Bradford’s Bill is about preventing child abuse and perhaps secondarily about ’sending a message’ to stop using excessive physical force against children because it is poor parenting. However, the minor changes needed to clarify ‘reasonable force’ are apparently beyond politicians in New Zealand’s current Parliament, and so we have ended up with a muddled bill which, according to both the police and Bradford herself, makes parents who choose to smack into criminals. It seems the politicos just couldn’t resist the opportunity to extend the long arm of the state into ordinary homes in an attempt to nationalise New Zealand’s children. [...] [...] On Wednesday 28 March, after a mere 2 weeks of planning, a diverse group of people gathered in Wellington’s Civic Square to protest the repeal of Section 59 of the Crimes Act, otherwise known as the anti-smacking bill. The left-wing spin is that Bradford’s Bill is about preventing child abuse and perhaps secondarily about ’sending a message’ to stop using excessive physical force against children because it is poor parenting. However, the minor changes needed to clarify ‘reasonable force’ are apparently beyond politicians in New Zealand’s current Parliament, and so we have ended up with a muddled bill which, according to both the police and Bradford herself, makes parents who choose to smack into criminals. It seems the politicos just couldn’t resist the opportunity to extend the long arm of the state into ordinary homes in an attempt to nationalise New Zealand’s children. [...]

]]> By: Lance Landall http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-4397 Lance Landall Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:06:06 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-4397 Hi there, You might like to take a look at two pro-smacking poems. I've included the links. http://www.poetrywithamission.co.nz/poems9ah%20-%20A%20Time%20And%20Place.htm http://www.poetrywithamission.co.nz/poems9aq%20-%20And%20So%20It%20Goes.htm regards, Lance Landall Hi there,
You might like to take a look at two pro-smacking poems. I’ve included the links.

http://www.poetrywithamission.co.nz/poems9ah%20-%20A%20Time%20And%20Place.htm

http://www.poetrywithamission.co.nz/poems9aq%20-%20And%20So%20It%20Goes.htm

regards,
Lance Landall

]]> By: Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Reminder: March on Parliament, and CIS Forum http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-4227 Pacific Empire » Blog Archive » Reminder: March on Parliament, and CIS Forum Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:40:05 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-4227 [...] Smacking: Right or Wrong? [...] [...] Smacking: Right or Wrong? [...]

]]> By: More Smacking... « Something should go here, maybe later. http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-4010 More Smacking... « Something should go here, maybe later. Sat, 24 Mar 2007 04:20:24 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-4010 [...] More Smacking… 24Mar07 Pacific Empire has a good summary of the smacking debate, and makes a point I’ve been making for some months. One of their prime examples is of a Christian woman who punished her son with a ‘horse whip’. That’s the version we hear on the radio. But if we look a little closer, the ‘whip’ was actually a short riding crop, and the boy had attempted to smash his stepfather in the head with a baseball bat. This was not child abuse, it was sorely needed corrective discipline. In fact, the incident with the ‘whip’ was discovered after the school asked about the improvement in the boy’s behaviour! [...] [...] More Smacking… 24Mar07 Pacific Empire has a good summary of the smacking debate, and makes a point I’ve been making for some months. One of their prime examples is of a Christian woman who punished her son with a ‘horse whip’. That’s the version we hear on the radio. But if we look a little closer, the ‘whip’ was actually a short riding crop, and the boy had attempted to smash his stepfather in the head with a baseball bat. This was not child abuse, it was sorely needed corrective discipline. In fact, the incident with the ‘whip’ was discovered after the school asked about the improvement in the boy’s behaviour! [...]

]]> By: Phil http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-3906 Phil Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:34:21 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-3906 I'll be less diplomatic than Luke. Alec's comment, that typical parents are "contemptible and disgusting", is itself contemptible. And disgusting. As for Paul's comments, they are retarded. He shows no respect for freedom at all. Young children do not have well-developed reasoning abilities. Thus, the rights that apply to adults do not apply to children. To a certain extent, parents have free rein over their kids, and less state control in family life is vastly preferable to the idea that based on one complaint the state could confiscate someone's child. Even for the minority of people who aren't good parents, the child is probably better off with them than in a succession of foster homes. Intervention from the state should only be allowed when the child is in real danger, and I don't mean in danger of a light smack. I’ll be less diplomatic than Luke. Alec’s comment, that typical parents are “contemptible and disgusting”, is itself contemptible. And disgusting. As for Paul’s comments, they are retarded. He shows no respect for freedom at all.

Young children do not have well-developed reasoning abilities. Thus, the rights that apply to adults do not apply to children. To a certain extent, parents have free rein over their kids, and less state control in family life is vastly preferable to the idea that based on one complaint the state could confiscate someone’s child. Even for the minority of people who aren’t good parents, the child is probably better off with them than in a succession of foster homes. Intervention from the state should only be allowed when the child is in real danger, and I don’t mean in danger of a light smack.

]]> By: Luke http://pacificempire.org.nz/2007/03/21/smacking/comment-page-1/#comment-3895 Luke Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:52:47 +0000 http://pacificempire.org.nz/?p=307#comment-3895 Alec, I think you're confused. It is <i>child abuse</i> which is contemptible and disgusting - not smacking. Alec, I think you’re confused. It is child abuse which is contemptible and disgusting – not smacking.

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